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05:01:26;09 D Lindsay Pike, Founder of Urotopia, says "I'm Lindsay Pike and my Uromastyx company name is Urotopia" Bill asks,"And one of your friends is?" Lindsay Pike, Founder of Urotopia, says "Debb Wolfram." Debb Wolfram, Breeder from Ohio says, "From Ohio." Bill asks,"And Debb you got into Uro's how long ago?" Debb Wolfram, Breeder from Ohio says, "Six, seven years ago." Bill asks,"And Lindsay, how long have you been breeding?" Lindsay Pike, Founder of Urotopia, says "Breeding ten years and owned them for fifteen years." Bill asks,"So give me the back story. How did you get involved or interested in Uro's?" Lindsay Pike, Founder of Urotopia, says "We actually saw one of all, out of all people's houses Wayne Hill whose runs this show and ah, but it's 15 years ago at his house and saw ornate uromastyx hiding actually hiding under a hi boxen (check spelling), we've got to look at those colors. We were pretty impressed but knew nothing at all about how to take care of them and so there was lit 01052
05:02:24;20 D Bill asks,"And Debb how about yourself. What attracted you?" Debb Wolfram, Breeder from Ohio says, "Saw my first Uromastyx at a show and it looked like a kind of dried up leathery shoe and it was a big Egyptian Uromastyx and then when I found out the mortality rate on these guys being imported I thought I'd get into breeding so I did do that." 01052
05:02:42;29 D Bill asks,"Now I see quite a variety which we'll be showing while you're talking. What is, what have you learned over the years, Lindsay, and what would you tell members of the public who don't know much about the species?" Lindsay Pike, creator of Urotopia says, "Well there is a real big variety and it isn't just the species, it's a whole gene and it's 17 species and even more sub species and then the herpital cultures have even more you know varieties that they will name so there is a huge variety and it's across you know a huge part of the world in Africa and Asia so that right there is you know usually what the beginner will learn about Uromastyx is there isn't just one kind. Big difference in sizes and although all are from arid habitats and primarily vegetarian or herbivores. Need high real high temperatures compared to some of the other reptiles." 01052
05:03:32;03 D Bill asks,"Let's talk about that Debb. What have you found as far as creating habitats that are conducive to your breeding. What are you looking for to provide?" Debb Wolfram, says, "Bigger is better. Large enclosures. Large enclosures really help because you need a gradient and the gradient is pretty high compared to other reptiles as Lindsay was saying. And so the larger enclosure you can have that higher gradient and basking spot. My basking spots run anywhere between 120 and 140 Fahrenheit so it's pretty hot. But you also need to maintain a cool end so that large enclosure allows you to have a high gradient, high basking spot and the cool end." Bill asks,"Now I know Debb has kind of impressed you with her breeding abilities. What do you look for in a good well breed captive Uro?" 01052
05:04:09;05 D Lindsay Pike, says, "You want to look at the alertness of the animal and the tail weight and make sure they're not slumping their head and have, they will puff up as a defense mechanism if they're alarmed sometimes so that can fool you. It'll look like they have a large stomach and they're well feed but they might not be. So you, if you look under the tail and see how the flesh really looks that a good spot or the thighs. They can't fool you there and then you get an idea if whether thin or well feed. As far as that temperature gradient she'd mentioned, at these shows it's difficult to have you know a whole bunch of 4 foot cages so we like to stress that to people is don't do it the way you see it here on the table. This is a very temporary little display cage and we literally have to turn the lights off and on if they start getting to warm. Uromastyx's color's typically will become brighter as they become hotter. So we want to warm them up a little bit to show people what they can look like but then 01052
05:05:39;21 D Bill asks,"What would you tell somebody that, a mom, her son or daughter is really intrigued by the look and the environment the a Uro kind of displays in a pet store. What would be some good beginner advice? Debb you first, and then Lindsay you second." Debb Wolfram, says, "Oh in a pet store, um, that's difficult because a lot of animals you see in a pet store are not captive bred. If I were a mom starting my child out I'd probably go for a captive bred animal. I mean it's not criticizing pet store's. There are good quality pet stores that do carry captive bred but I'd start out with a good quality animal. I'd make sure that the equipment and such was adequate for the animal. That means the right enclosure, the right equipment whether that's a gram scale to weigh them to make sure that they are gaining weight, proper food, research. Research is real important. Research first and foremost so you know what these guys need for diet, temperament, you know the temperatures and such. Bill asks,"An 01052
05:07:00;10 D Lindsay Pike says, "There is, there are quite a few good web sites with care sheet. There's also a few books out. Kingsnake.com host Uromastyx home page which can then link you to many site's so all of us have slightly different options on how to take care of them. A lot of similarities. But I'd encourage you to get not just my opinion, or not just Debb's but a lot of opinions and we're still learning a lot about Uromastyx. They're not as easy to figure out as some of the other reptiles I've worked with and I think we still have a lot to learn and that does go back to all those different kinds. For years we were keeping every one of them the same and I think that we're discovering on there's some little differences from one species to the next but that's kind of the future of Uromastyx Herpital cultures is to start determining the individual differences among those species. Cause the habitats they come from are a little different but compared to where I live in South East U.S., they're all hot and dry 01052
05:08:14;02 D Debb Wolfram says, "We're gaining a little ground there because years ago you couldn't find hardly any accurate information on Uromastyx. No one just knew. But now there's more research going on in the field and there's DNA work being done. I think that started in 2005. There's a little bit more done last year or the year before. So there's a little bit more research going on about these animals and their native habitat. And that helps to hear a little bit of that coming out." 01052
05:08:45;20 D Lindsay Pike says, "I have a website Urotopia.com and your's is Uromastyxworld.com." 01052
05:09:06;08 D Debb Wolfram says,"It's the type of animal where you really do need to do the research and have the proper equipment for it. They make a wonderful pet. They really do and the variety, as Lindsay was saying, in species and color is phenomenal. Just do the research. Make sure that you have the equipment so that mortality rate from that high percentage we're hearing of goes down." Lindsay Pike says, "And it's probably isn't the easiest beginner reptile to own. Because their temperature gradient needs and maybe there's a little more labor involved in some of the food preparation. You can't just through a mouse in once a week it's a little more involved there so it isn't the simplest one to own so but anybody that's dedicated to do it correctly can." Bill asks,"So this would be more of a intermediate hobbyist to an advanced." Debb Wolfram says,"Right. I would say so." Lindsay Pike says, "But a lot of dyearnal (check spelling) animals that may need some special lighting needs and things like that 01052